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If you're pakistani...I don't think there should be as big of a problem. But if you're Indian and you're parents are all about that war way back when and have lingering image of chinese people- I have to say its still not as big of a problem. I mean, both races are asian and uhhh...well lots of cultural/values match. =)

Priyam OMG chinese are NOTHING like pakistanis. DONT EVER say that again lol

Uhhh Mehak? I was referencing China-Pakistan Arms agreements and trade (China made Pakistan a nuclear power). Pakistan Chinese relations, actually, are very good. On the contrary, INdia-China relations are not. And as for Chinese being like Pakistanis, you'll be surprised how much culture matches to an extent. As in, the way children are brought up, and the values behind it really match which is a huge factor into relations between people. But I'm INdian..I'll never know a Pakistani's view of the issue to the same extent you might...!

Having economic ties are irrelivant to having a cultural acceptance. Pakistani people very rarely marry other ethnicities, and if they do, an Arab semetic is more acceptible (though still frowned on) than any Coastal Asian ethnicity. I highly doubt that this person's family will be accepting, even if their love is Muslim.

Are you sure Ms. Layla? Because I would think that such economic/political ties really influence the perception of a country's people to another. The leaders of both countries represent the public; they are not just people doing thigns on their own views. The country reflects on another country through such eyes. They go hand-in hand, unfortunately, and when it comes to cultural acceptance, human nature (obviously) looks towards the prior knowlege/stereotypes of the other race. Classic example: BCC reports did an investigation in the INdia v. Pakistan sentiments in both countries. They found that from childhood in villages of Pakistan they teach children anti-India sentiments, which is a major political aspect. When those children grow up, what view will they have of India? Will they disregard the views they grew up with completely? And even a child who has not been brought up with those views but has lived in a bustling Pakistani city where he/she is more likely to be open-minded and not concern themselves with much of the political drama, will have SOME sort of pre-made views because of the knowlege that pakistani-indian relationships are not...strong and think of the many wars his/her country has fought against the other. Fighting to this degree psychologically dubs off the other as an 'opponent'. and this along with the previously mentioned factor into cultural acceptance. A country is made up of political, economic, and the cultural aspects, and all affect the other, including views of the political aspect (strong political/economic ties china has with pakistan), on the cultural aspect (the people have a nice impression of the chinese as those who assisted pakistan into a military power). Now I just want to say neither you nor I can claim how well a family (even from Pakistan) can accept " any other ethnicity". It ultimately depends on the family itself and from my original post you can derive "better chinese than indian". For that is all I meant to say. =)

ohh ggod imm sorry itts sso disgusting thhough...im nnot raccist orr anyything...

Priyam, through your huge monolouge, you cannot accept that just because you have economic ties with a country, you accept their culture too. Especially since even Chinese have issues with their own ethnicities within their boarders. The Muslim minority of China, the yeaggers, are being slaughtered by other ethnicities and no one is turning an eye, even their Pakistani "brothers". There are also tons of instances where public leaders, both elected and otherwise have gone against their majority of constituients. George Bush is a perfect example of that. Figureheads are not all knowing or all examples of their countries. India and Pakistan have always hated each other generally, as such they have little to no economic ties to the situation and are completely irrelivant to this discussion. And yes, I can tell better than most what a Pakistani family would accept, as that I come from a Pakistani father and a European mother. I also have uncles and aunts that have married outside their ethnicities and can tell you how they are not accepted by the majority of the clan. You shouldn't have to derive anything from a statement. You should just say it. "Better Chinese then Indian" is just as asinine as "Better Caucasian than African". There is no Better/Than statement in this situation.

Really Layla? There is no better than in this statement? So you're saying its strictly Pakistani to Pakistani marriages, as in, from a last post I read, one from your Holy book can marry people from the 'book' , ie. Christain and jews, but not easily accepted as Hindus. So I think there is better/than. And what else ties have the two counties have other than political animosty towards each other, that has snuck its way into the cultural background. Note, I did not say, you cannot accept a culture soley based on economic/political ties. I say one has significant influence on each other. I realize there are many divisions among the Chinese too, but I don't see how that correlates. And youc annot neglect the India pakistan hated each other generally and wave that away, because it is a perfect example of how political ties influence cultural views. The India pakistan problem stems from division as I remember, and it was a political tactic used by the British to the point animostiy was forcibly created, and divisions made in the whole Hindu vs. Muslim thing. But in INdia, hindus and muslims live together, yet in the Islamic republic of Pakistan, you see such cultural views as still existant as it is a problem rooted in both aspects, though stemming politically. And IF i were to speculate, then there are "many instances" and "many acceptions" to everything, including political leaders tehmselves. So, I won't leave it to you to derive anything, and as you kindly pointed out, I shall say it as this is a huge "monologue" already and you want to cut to the point- Political acceptance and Cultural acceptance have a significant impact on each other as it binds into the social atmosphere/environment of a country. Note: CORRELATION does not mean CAUSATION. So hopefully, you won't misinterpret what I wrote again as 'just by having economic acceptance, a country can have cultural acceptance'. No, that is definately not the case, but it is a huge influential factor. Like it says in the Koran, ties between people from 'the book' are (upto an extent) accepted (MORE) than people outside of "the book", like Hindus. Similarly, we can do teh same fo the political spectrum.

guys i don't think you should get into this india and pakistan debate bcz it could go on forever. and chinese people im sorry but ughh whn u hv desis why do u need them?

Priyam can i just say that usually i agree with most of the things you say bt i don't now. i don't think your that dumb that you jus believe statistics that pakistani kids are taught to hate indians. its probably biased and i know sometimes in really backwards places it does happen but mostly against the west (america) which is why terrorist have emerged. i find your comments quite reacist. yeh i know everyone is proud of their country and yh india and pakistan have their issues but at the end of the day 65 years ago they were one and im pretty sure culture doesnt change that fast so if pakistan are like china then so are india. india probably dont get on with china because they provided pakistan with nuclear power. majority of pakistani don't have a problem with indians and get on well with them apart from the exception of cricket match but that obviously because pakistan are the better cricketers :L jk there both good. yh muslim and hindus live together in india but i bet they do face discrimination and if hindus were to live in pakistan they would be happily accepted beacuse islam is a loving faith. as far as the QURAN thing goes that is what our religion says and we happily accept it because its tru. but anyway you have your own view i just wanted to show another side of ur biased story :)

I'm sorry Mehak you think my views are biased. But I want to say that my views are not only from random 'statistics' but from personal experiecne. I am not raciest towards pakistan. I've been actually studying political/cultural relations between the two countries for some time now to the point, i've some really good essays written. You can call me biased as no one likes to listen to negatives to their country. Like me- who has to accept the hindu-muslim conflicts who you pointed out. So let me correct you on your assumptions to my biasees. Pakistani kids are taught to hate indians. Wrong. In remote villages where you assumed. There was a documentary done on how people are FORCED to adopt such views under not only terrorist-led governments, but many of pakistan's villages. Now, not in ciites or the majority. I would know with how many pakistani firends who I have that tell me the truths of villages from where tehy are from. Furthermore, my piont was that exactly. Culture doesn't change, but political relations influence cultural ties. India doesn't get along with china NOT because they provided pakistan with arms, but because of teh wars they have had with china and how they took over india-led kashmir. The majority of Indians don't have a problem with pakistanis either, Mehak. And about hte muslim and hinus living together in India. The anti-pakistan sentiments really stem from one thing- when India and Pakistan got divided...India's law stated that it would let both Hindus and Muslims live in teh coutnry. Anyone who want to leave could. From Pakistan, the law stated that it would be an islamic republic and whoever wanted to be a hindu, for their own protection, would have to elave the area. So many people lost their lands from both sides. From India, it was more of a choice that a lot of people did not take. I'm claiming just laws and their outcomes here. And ofcourse Islam is a very tolerant religion. And ofcourse the Quran says that. No religion speaks of hatred Mehak. Not hinuism, not islam. If you could please re-read my posts trend again, and what facts I'm supporting, you will realize its for the position that cultural and politics are interrelated to develop a different society. Not being biased, at all, even though you may think so. Even I know how many hindu raids tehre are in India against Muslims and the same way around.....I'm not getting into the HIndu vs. Muslim issues..as I don't see it as an issue other than some misunderstanding and prejudices stemming from politics. But you cannot ignore the sentiments in both countries as just from 'cricket matches' . its reality, which speaks for itself from both sides. I'm sorry Mehak, once again, for making you think so. ANd looking back, I just restated rules from the Koran. How is that racist if the Quran says it accepts marriages with people from "the book". Please, don't insult me further with racist views...

Last line: Please don't insult me further with thinking me of racist views...

Priyam, the reason why most people do not like you is because when you comment on a topic, you don't always provide relavence to the story expounded. Such as with bringing in the India/Pakistan debate. First you took this as an oppertunity to show how smart you were about Chinese/Pakistani relations, only for me to point out to you that while that's nice, modern Pakistanis and Chinese in general do not hold to a share of cultural values. It is almost as if you try to always prove how smart you are. While I'm glad you're smart, most people on here are. So just tone it down and back off. This is just a funny site, not a political blog.

go for it! ur both eastern culture, im sure u will have lovely kids!

Trust me, culturally, it will work out great! Rough patches aside, India and China have a rich shared history and "Asian" values and worldviews are very similar. One of my desi galpals is planning to marry a Japanese guy and its worked out great so far! That aside, what's important is that you get along as people, ethnicity be damned :D Congrats!

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